tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post3586351716206730738..comments2024-03-29T11:25:25.284+00:00Comments on Yorkshire Pudding: PigsYorkshire Puddinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-25997373470135157192015-02-12T13:52:14.733+00:002015-02-12T13:52:14.733+00:00Wise words! Couldn't agree more. Apart from ri...Wise words! Couldn't agree more. Apart from rich businessfolk and politicians, what really winds me up also is when those who pretend to be our role models, or live off our adulation, also do it - I'm referring to superstars in the world of music (yes, Bono, that's you too) and patriotic sports people. Everybody has a go at politicians for fiddling the books but when it's Messi or Wayne Rooney, it's a different kettle of fish.<br />As some of you say, it's an illness reaching through all levels of society, though. Being (sort of) self-employed myself, I have also had many a chance to fiddle taxes (skip VAT for example) but so far (touch wood) have stuck by my principles and kept the books (and my soul!) clean.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06613762050863476962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-54078934466616463312015-02-12T00:26:53.968+00:002015-02-12T00:26:53.968+00:00Are you moonlighting as a quilter Mama Thyme?
I th...Are you moonlighting as a quilter Mama Thyme?<br />I think that most of the super-rich are the same the whole world over. "I'm all right Jack - pull up the ladder!"Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-34123864940856614452015-02-11T19:43:30.821+00:002015-02-11T19:43:30.821+00:00Everybody should pay their fair share to ensure th...Everybody should pay their fair share to ensure the less able, the sick, the uneducated, the veterans of foreign wars, etc. will have food to eat, a hospital bed, books to read and proper care from our government for mental and physical wounds from those wars.<br /><br />But, I have wondered for years and years why the richest of us get to pay less for Social Security. I heard on the news yesterday that the top 2% of earners in the United States will reach their maximum payment into the Social Security system this week. That means that they are exempt from that tax for the rest of the year while most of the rest of us will never reach that maximum yearly income. <br /><br />We too have lots of people who "moonlight" in this country. Usually people who do not get paid enough in their regular jobs....a lot of time they are public servants....firefighters, policemen, teachers, etc. Peace Thymehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361079101751470855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-88826576178859586642015-02-11T19:24:01.324+00:002015-02-11T19:24:01.324+00:00Oh, I shouldn't have been so suspicious. Sorry...Oh, I shouldn't have been so suspicious. Sorry.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-2127446295487718182015-02-11T19:22:31.697+00:002015-02-11T19:22:31.697+00:00I must say that I have never resented paying tax ...I must say that I have never resented paying tax though I do resent the fat cats who dodge it and therefore effectively increase the tax bills of honest citizens. Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-60267205014930796852015-02-11T19:20:33.246+00:002015-02-11T19:20:33.246+00:00I know a couple of teachers who provide extra tuit...I know a couple of teachers who provide extra tuition and they declare their extra income to HMRC though I expect there are some dodgers in the teaching profession too. Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-71439081926810112492015-02-11T19:18:00.828+00:002015-02-11T19:18:00.828+00:00If a country sets certain tax rates you might dis...If a country sets certain tax rates you might disagree with them for philosophical reasons but the law is the law and we cannot pick and choose which laws we will obey be they to do with thievery, driving or taxation.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-57075383775152615412015-02-11T19:13:49.655+00:002015-02-11T19:13:49.655+00:00The distinction between evasion and avoidance is n...The distinction between evasion and avoidance is not entirely clear to me. Evasion is clearly deliberate wrongdoing but avoidance seems to be about stretching the rules to the limit and maybe hiding funds in foreign lands or in other people's names through dubious financial gifts. Government approved deductions do not fall into either category. Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-66047100463916321992015-02-11T16:53:11.942+00:002015-02-11T16:53:11.942+00:00It simply means that I have enough money left afte...It simply means that I have enough money left after tax to afford more than just the bare necessities: I can have nice clothes, go on holiday, host parties, buy presents for friends and families, and so on.Librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704656564078750607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-74180506566274725752015-02-11T16:19:25.940+00:002015-02-11T16:19:25.940+00:00I wouldn't mind paying my taxes so much if I c...I wouldn't mind paying my taxes so much if I could file them with a form that had things checked off that I want to support. I resent that most of my money goes to wars, bailing out banks, and subsidizing things I don't believe in. My vote counts for nothing, the Koch Brothers buy half the candidates. I consider it taxation without representation. It's even worse at the county level where my horrendous property taxes go to subsidize improvements that developers want so they can turn thousands of acres of farm and grazing land into a profit for themselves.<br />Jan Blawathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697621979002856884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-85791117283992219842015-02-11T14:14:00.365+00:002015-02-11T14:14:00.365+00:00I certainly get where you're coming from but I...I certainly get where you're coming from but I have a question. Evasion is bad, certainly, but what do you mean exactly by "tax avoidance"? Are you talking about legitimate, legal (as in government-concocted and government-approved) deductions such as we have in the U.S. on home mortgage interest and being over 65? I don't consider those as "avoidance" when we're simply following the rules as laid down by the gummint. Should I be adjusting my gross income upward by the $5,000 or so that I paid to banks as home mortgage interest when the government itself tells me I needn't? Or saying "Yes, we are over 65 but let's not check that box so that we can pay a bit more to Uncle Sam? Finally, is putting money in such places as the Cayman Islands (not that I ever have done or plan to do such a thing) "avoidance" or "evasion"? I need definitions. <br /><br />P.S. - If you think the first two deductions I mentioned constitute "avoidance" then, with all respect, I think you are daft. rhymeswithplaguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10870439618129001633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-80756597687603645442015-02-11T11:45:39.687+00:002015-02-11T11:45:39.687+00:00The only part of your post I fundamentally disagre...The only part of your post I fundamentally disagree with is this, 'in proportion to our earnings'. If we want a truly egalitarian society, why should one man pay tax at a higher rate than another? If we want growth, why punish success? EVERYONE should pay the same rate of tax (too high at the moment) and the tax allowance should be set at a realistic level (too low at the moment) to help low income earners.Hippohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09468795398813061897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-62423832422572280762015-02-11T10:14:38.839+00:002015-02-11T10:14:38.839+00:00I agree tax evasion is evil. I suggest it starts a...I agree tax evasion is evil. I suggest it starts at the very top with the monarchy and filters down to the plumber. The working man is only emulating his betters.<br />As you say Shirley is not one of them but NHS nurses are regular moonlighters as are some teachers who offer extra tuition after school. ADRIANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07113961163396562781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-34847855298194848422015-02-11T10:02:30.154+00:002015-02-11T10:02:30.154+00:00If you did that YP it would soon get around and yo...If you did that YP it would soon get around and you'd never get anyone to work for you!Graham Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11196744947133121475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-88533242492270018512015-02-11T09:56:07.374+00:002015-02-11T09:56:07.374+00:00Good point Graham. When a tradesman winks and sugg...Good point Graham. When a tradesman winks and suggests I can pay him less if I pay by cash I always want to say, "Excuse me? I am a tax inspector and you are nicked my son!"Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-25235451922611402902015-02-11T09:54:07.790+00:002015-02-11T09:54:07.790+00:00The pigs habitually complain about governments was...The pigs habitually complain about governments wasting money in order to justify their selfishness.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-55719677728748541012015-02-11T09:52:12.317+00:002015-02-11T09:52:12.317+00:00The pigs are everywhere. These revelations and cou...The pigs are everywhere. These revelations and court cases are like hiccups to them. They will carry on feeding from the trough. <br />I am intrigued by your last word - "more" and wonder what that might be.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-73670622826485292332015-02-11T09:46:18.814+00:002015-02-11T09:46:18.814+00:00Taxes are like the price we pay to be members of t...Taxes are like the price we pay to be members of the club we call society.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-51908114267546813942015-02-11T09:44:38.380+00:002015-02-11T09:44:38.380+00:00Now I know why you are called Red!Now I know why you are called Red!Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-72248848220420370392015-02-11T08:47:21.500+00:002015-02-11T08:47:21.500+00:00Like you YP I was a public servant in the UK and a...Like you YP I was a public servant in the UK and as a result had no opportunity for tax evasion or avoidance because tax was deducted by my employer. I also had my own business for many years and was scrupulous about tax matters. However it's not just the fat cats who indulge in tax evasion and avoidance. The number of tradesmen I know who insist on being paid cash and quite openly boast about not paying tax is staggering. Just as staggering is the number of people who openly boast about claiming every penny from the State whilst still working in the cash-only economy. I resent the fact that they regard honest folk with contempt and thus I resent them every bit as much as I resent the very wealthy doing it.Graham Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11196744947133121475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-32972867999123824502015-02-11T07:15:39.210+00:002015-02-11T07:15:39.210+00:00I paid/pay my dues, too, and have never fed at the...I paid/pay my dues, too, and have never fed at the trough. I wonder what people would say or do if no one whatsoever paid their taxes? I've often wonder what the complaints would be then! We'd be living in a third world country and they they really would have something to whinge about!Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15835982875620956300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-51823107429734383602015-02-11T06:06:17.617+00:002015-02-11T06:06:17.617+00:00This was (and stil is) a BIG issue in Germany in 2...This was (and stil is) a BIG issue in Germany in 2013 and last year, when serveral tax evasion/avoidance scandals rocked the national lsndscape. It came to light that someone had sold the government a CD with the account data of many citizens who were hiding their money outside Germany. This had been going on for years already, but only now it was hotly disputed whether the tax boys had the right to follow up on the data others insisted were illegally acquired.<br />Then, some big names started come out with voluntary disclosures, hoping for amnesty (or at least reduced punishment). The most famous of them was Uli Hoeness, who is immensely popular in Germany due to his contribution to football (see the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uli_Hoene%C3%9F#Tax_evasion" rel="nofollow">wikipedia article</a> about him).<br />When he "gracefully accepted" (!) his (much reduced) punishment, even Mrs. Merkel was daft enough to say she "respects him for accepting" it. Hello? Respect? For accepting a judge's verdict who merely acts on what you already know you've done anyway?!<br />RJ and I were often talking about this when it was the top story in our news. Things seem to have calmed down since then, but all this is still going on.<br />Like you and Mrs. Pudding, I always pay what I'm due. It's not very nice to see what my monthly earnings amount to after tax, but it's still plenty enough for me to afford everything I need - and more.Librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704656564078750607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-13395754877994469012015-02-11T02:00:54.319+00:002015-02-11T02:00:54.319+00:00I completely agree with you. One percent of the pe...I completely agree with you. One percent of the people should not control 50% of the world's wealth.Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996243850279671523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-72597281789048214742015-02-11T01:47:29.292+00:002015-02-11T01:47:29.292+00:00My mother (1908-1983) used to say that she was hap...My mother (1908-1983) used to say that she was happy to pay her taxes, that she was glad she had enough money to be able to pay taxes. She was a good woman!Mary Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14986934534719487604noreply@blogger.com