tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post5093764332867357206..comments2024-03-29T12:10:24.356+00:00Comments on Yorkshire Pudding: ElegyYorkshire Puddinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-38670666919520098682021-04-19T21:34:53.951+01:002021-04-19T21:34:53.951+01:00Clever poem I thought - i rather like Simon Armita...Clever poem I thought - i rather like Simon Armitage as the laureate The bike shedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195882998271591934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-45899114980518750512021-04-19T12:20:52.456+01:002021-04-19T12:20:52.456+01:00Yes, YP, there are times when an unexpected take m...Yes, YP, there are times when an unexpected take might be appropriate, and even welcome. <br />On this occasion, I feel that something more personal would have been in keeping with the man honoured. Time will tell how well these words remain in the public consciousness, but will the next generation have any idea who, or what, the poem is about - and worse, will they even care?Coppa's girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16459503600694841117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-74850868879599993642021-04-19T10:54:41.339+01:002021-04-19T10:54:41.339+01:00I'm pleased you see our point YP, so many peop...I'm pleased you see our point YP, so many people do not. We have discussed this with the kids and they are all happy with it. I remember my Mum and Dad's funeral and others in the family and have thought why put yourself through all this when the deceased would not want you to be so miserable. I hate the thought of my kids and Tom watching a box go to the fire it's horrible. On the plus side a 'direct funeral' cost a lot less. lolcrafty cat cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251582085392890533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-91611685796778312912021-04-19T00:54:57.393+01:002021-04-19T00:54:57.393+01:00That's a radical stance and I applaud you and ...That's a radical stance and I applaud you and Tom for taking that position. At my mother's funeral I stood by her coffin and said - That's not mum in there, it's just the vessel in which she travelled through life... before continuing with her eulogy.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-14394519736568433132021-04-18T18:52:56.141+01:002021-04-18T18:52:56.141+01:00I can never understand what funerals are all about...I can never understand what funerals are all about. We do not intend to have one for either of us. I think we can remember our loved one's without standing by a hole in the ground or seeing the casket going into the fire.<br />Once we are gone they can do what they like with the shell.<br />I would say they can have it for science but I'm sure they would laugh at that.lol <br />Briony<br />xcrafty cat cornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06251582085392890533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-67424827973950005932021-04-18T16:53:51.810+01:002021-04-18T16:53:51.810+01:00And yet he was not naturally a follower or a "...And yet he was not naturally a follower or a "yes" man. He remained true to himself.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-23826868584348203242021-04-18T16:52:58.686+01:002021-04-18T16:52:58.686+01:00Your thoughts about Armitage's poem mirror min...Your thoughts about Armitage's poem mirror mine quite faithfully Elizabeth.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-92087535939872838632021-04-18T14:55:19.637+01:002021-04-18T14:55:19.637+01:00I enjoyed Armitage's poem very much - it's...I enjoyed Armitage's poem very much - it's very meaningful and evocative of a generation that is all but gone to us. I also loved Armitage's quiet self-effacing comment that it would have been rude of him to write a poem that was solely about someone he didn't even know; he dealt with the request in a way that produced fitting words (perhaps especially so in a year when others of that generation have died uncelebrated), but also conveyed a humble integrity that is rare. http://stanforthsharpe.ukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04458837887136600727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-86720952568700483572021-04-18T14:33:12.165+01:002021-04-18T14:33:12.165+01:00A very fitting tribute, I think. It takes a rare m...A very fitting tribute, I think. It takes a rare man to do the job that the Duke of Edinburg did and he seemed to do it with a great deal of grace. Ms. Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776404747858099919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-14176854326051545782021-04-18T14:16:46.341+01:002021-04-18T14:16:46.341+01:00I am still aware of unlaid ghosts, Neil. Including...I am still aware of unlaid ghosts, Neil. Including the friendly ghosts like our parents and grandparents. Brexit will hang in the air for some time to come.<br /><br />I have been rereading Caroline Fink's biography of Marc Bloch (1886-1944) historian, soldier in two World Wars, leader of the Resistance; tortured, killed.<br />Bloch was a hero and thinker, founder of the French historical journal, Annales.<br /><br />David Frost's interview with Mosley (YouTube) has documentary footage of Mosley in the Thirties giving the Nazi salute at Fascist rallies in London.<br />HaggertyHaggertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13428937273804366081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-8297416591342826852021-04-18T13:49:30.529+01:002021-04-18T13:49:30.529+01:00As usual, interesting reflections John though I ha...As usual, interesting reflections John though I had not expected the springboard jump to Mosley.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-70857452930643586622021-04-18T13:45:59.351+01:002021-04-18T13:45:59.351+01:00*Snow is recast as seed heads and thistledown.*
Pr...*Snow is recast as seed heads and thistledown.*<br />Prince Philip died in *a cold April* but new life is all around.<br /><br />Armitage's last line reminds me of *Full fathom five thy father lies.* <br />Shakespeare closes with *Nothing of him that doth fade/ But doth suffer a sea-change/ Into something rich and strange.*<br /><br />The Poet Laureate remembers a generation because Prince Philip is one of its last members; they seem to us now like *great-grandfathers from birth,* because soon they will all be gone, as the men of the Somme are gone.<br /><br />There is an old interview with the fascist cult-leader Oswald Mosley on YouTube; it is frightening to read some of the comments by Mosley admirers. <br />These ignorant people are fooled by Mosley's commanding presence; he refuses to acknowledge his implicit guilt in the Holocaust or Shoah. <br />His son Nicholas Mosley had a painful relationship with his father and wrote a brilliant anti-fascist novel, Hopeful Monsters.<br /><br />*Sir Oswald Mosely Interview Thames Television 1975.*<br />A very English Hitler.<br /><br />Haggerty<br />Haggertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13428937273804366081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-58134055464476151532021-04-18T12:59:54.729+01:002021-04-18T12:59:54.729+01:00As I suggested to CG, I am glad that he reflected ...As I suggested to CG, I am glad that he reflected on Philip's death in an unexpected manner.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-81622350539362777392021-04-18T12:58:51.332+01:002021-04-18T12:58:51.332+01:00I respect your considered point of view CG. Howeve...I respect your considered point of view CG. However, I would just ask this: shouldn't a poet who is worth his or her salt be expected to surprise us with an unexpected take on a national moment?Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-37277546226436462422021-04-18T12:03:45.121+01:002021-04-18T12:03:45.121+01:00I think Armitage got it just right as poet laureat...I think Armitage got it just right as poet laureate. Prince Philip represented the old generation of values that have now gone out of fashion with the new modern generations. His attributes are plain for all to see, his duty to crown and country was exemplary. thelmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934860502828923562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-45932894137688830142021-04-18T10:06:36.059+01:002021-04-18T10:06:36.059+01:00Yes. It is an effective take on the old duke's...Yes. It is an effective take on the old duke's passing - seeing him as a representative of his generation.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-59837583964053031072021-04-18T10:06:32.610+01:002021-04-18T10:06:32.610+01:00Surely for such an occasion the poem should be a t...Surely for such an occasion the poem should be a tribute to Prince Philip himself, rather than to a generation? There are many poems honouring each generation, but rarely an opportunity to eulogise one such important, much revered and loved man? After reading it, if I hadn't seen the photograph at the top, I would not have known who it was meant to honour.Coppa's girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16459503600694841117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-81206541080686303132021-04-18T09:46:44.636+01:002021-04-18T09:46:44.636+01:00I'm not a believer in Royalty and Colonialism ...I'm not a believer in Royalty and Colonialism but I do like the way Simon Armitage speaks for that generation that defeated Fascism. northsider https://www.blogger.com/profile/00716743611909673869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-69139944316097502112021-04-18T09:23:46.332+01:002021-04-18T09:23:46.332+01:00She was lucky to have found him before the duty of...She was lucky to have found him before the duty of being a monarch called.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-35044289176732809672021-04-18T09:22:47.134+01:002021-04-18T09:22:47.134+01:00Duty and honour tend to operate quietly without dr...Duty and honour tend to operate quietly without drumbeat.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-72532624320111328362021-04-18T09:21:43.130+01:002021-04-18T09:21:43.130+01:00I like the way that Armitage addresses the death a...I like the way that Armitage addresses the death as if Prince Philip was the standard bearer of a generation.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-5986403591129519852021-04-18T09:20:29.147+01:002021-04-18T09:20:29.147+01:00Of course you are entitled to your opinion Helen b...Of course you are entitled to your opinion Helen but I think that Simon Armitage is a genius.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-53512265616597071132021-04-18T08:57:13.256+01:002021-04-18T08:57:13.256+01:00That was really moving and incredibly sums up a wh...That was really moving and incredibly sums up a whole generation perfectly.The Love Of Nostalgiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16070391861450946548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-64484287514066654712021-04-18T08:19:20.002+01:002021-04-18T08:19:20.002+01:00Don't think much of his poetry I'm afraid....Don't think much of his poetry I'm afraid.<br />RIP Prince Phillip.Helsiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15136273834165751276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-88253998191961273512021-04-18T03:28:33.429+01:002021-04-18T03:28:33.429+01:00We watched a little of the funeral. It was heartb...We watched a little of the funeral. It was heartbreaking to see the Queen alone. She has lived her entire life as a life of duty, very different times. I saw a photo of her recently, she was walking past a guard but it was actually Prince Philip and he said hello to her. She looked like she was giggling. I hope she was.My life so farhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16721270441968035994noreply@blogger.com