tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post7866631697135696591..comments2024-03-28T14:01:51.325+00:00Comments on Yorkshire Pudding: FrederickYorkshire Puddinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-48417365149590503102022-09-28T16:54:07.293+01:002022-09-28T16:54:07.293+01:00Fascinating history YP. I always enjoyed visiting ...Fascinating history YP. I always enjoyed visiting Chatsworth and the gardens - a favourite place of mine. The TV programmes about the logistics of the Chatsworth run-up to Christmas made interesting viewing.<br />That shade of blue seems to be turning up in some of the trendier kitchens these days.Coppa's girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16459503600694841117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-38508317251338463322022-09-28T15:37:36.975+01:002022-09-28T15:37:36.975+01:00An interesting history. I haven't heard of thi...An interesting history. I haven't heard of this guy at all, though I recognize the Cavendish name from various geographical places in London (like Cavendish Square).Steve Reedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11684120060438252945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-78349150603919418942022-09-28T15:28:50.611+01:002022-09-28T15:28:50.611+01:00Meike has a point.
Lord Frederick looks lugubrious...Meike has a point.<br />Lord Frederick looks lugubrious as do photos of Alfred Lord Tennyson.<br />Yet a sketch of Tennyson (by Sir Edward Burne-Jones online) as a clean-shaven youth is more pensive than lugubrious.<br />There is a brown wash sketch by Dante Gabriel Rossetti of a bearded Tennyson reciting his poem, his left leg at a crooked angle. <br />He has large workmanlike hands like a stonemason or blacksmith.<br /><br />Remember, people had to sit very still in the photographer's studio.<br />It was a solemn business so all Victorians tend to look solemn.<br />Someone observed that Freud looked daunted before a camera, but as soon as the ordeal was over, he was smiling and lighting up a cigar.Hameldaemepal@gmailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08231016503726428849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-79879448392690475042022-09-28T13:05:29.210+01:002022-09-28T13:05:29.210+01:00The curriculum's bias was not intentional, Sea...The curriculum's bias was not intentional, Sean.<br />In its blindness it blotted out mining disasters as Neil said.<br /><br />Our history teacher saw me reading The Housing Question by Engels, which belonged to my elder brother, and asked if my brother was in the Party.<br />The old boy had no time for Marxism even in its pre-Soviet phase.<br />My brother was a posturing art student, a fan of Fidel Castro and Che.<br /><br />General Gordon of Khartoum was the Victorian hero who hated Victorians.<br />*I dwell on the joy of never seeing Great Britain again,* he wrote.<br />This nugget is from an 850 page paperback by Bruce Robinson:<br />*They All Love Jack - Busting the Ripper* (4th Estate).<br /><br />Robinson's book is a dark voyage into the City of Dreadful Night like Hallie Rubenhold's *The Five : The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper*.<br />Ms. Rubenhold's Victorian London was a city where many slept rough.<br />A single woman, working as a seamstress, could fall into suicidal poverty just by failing to maintain payments on her sewing machine.<br /><br />Clement Attlee created the Welfare State in order to end generational poverty like this. <br />Liberal Party legislation failed to solve the problem.<br />The term Welfare State was coined approvingly by a bishop in the Church of England. <br />It took Mrs Thatcher & President Reagan to demonise welfare.<br />HaggertyHameldaemepal@gmailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08231016503726428849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-14934844421621536322022-09-28T11:16:29.214+01:002022-09-28T11:16:29.214+01:00I might see you in Edensor churchyard Jean.I might see you in Edensor churchyard Jean.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-41155627387388414662022-09-28T11:15:53.488+01:002022-09-28T11:15:53.488+01:00There are so many twists and turns in the Cavendis...There are so many twists and turns in the Cavendish story.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-76661936750062233422022-09-28T11:14:39.891+01:002022-09-28T11:14:39.891+01:00I am not a big fan of lavish country houses but th...I am not a big fan of lavish country houses but the workmanship at Chatsworth is quite fantastic. No expense spared.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-44295641269674134352022-09-28T11:13:01.948+01:002022-09-28T11:13:01.948+01:00I sometimes see that blue on remote farms and it i...I sometimes see that blue on remote farms and it is pretty certain they belong to the Chatsworth estate.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-40280292359882484332022-09-28T11:11:46.913+01:002022-09-28T11:11:46.913+01:00Wealth can be like a snowball rolling down a hill....Wealth can be like a snowball rolling down a hill. It just gets bigger and bigger.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-36193800856768234542022-09-28T11:10:59.436+01:002022-09-28T11:10:59.436+01:00I try my best. Thanks for reading it Sean.I try my best. Thanks for reading it Sean.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-74489176292296018962022-09-28T11:10:00.323+01:002022-09-28T11:10:00.323+01:00With certain aristocratic families in Britain, the...With certain aristocratic families in Britain, they remain exceedingly wealthy but keep a bit quieter about it these days.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-55145892942006950172022-09-28T11:08:30.334+01:002022-09-28T11:08:30.334+01:00British coal mining disasters were also blotted ou...British coal mining disasters were also blotted out of the history curriculum. I guess those workhorses didn't mean much to The Establishment.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-42297370449437042902022-09-28T11:05:38.756+01:002022-09-28T11:05:38.756+01:00It's like Alice in Wonderland. Once you go dow...It's like Alice in Wonderland. Once you go down a rabbit hole it is hard to find your way back.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-2263718779460429362022-09-28T11:04:51.978+01:002022-09-28T11:04:51.978+01:00Fabulously wealthy and their name lives on.Fabulously wealthy and their name lives on.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-51001284630269268382022-09-28T11:03:52.707+01:002022-09-28T11:03:52.707+01:00Nice to uncover it.Nice to uncover it.Yorkshire Puddinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06019673884543913089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-23761978162175173372022-09-28T09:03:58.583+01:002022-09-28T09:03:58.583+01:00I didn't know (or had forgotten maybe) that bi...I didn't know (or had forgotten maybe) that bit of history. We live only a few miles from Chatsworth and drive through the park frequently. Time to stop and ponder the history a bit more thoroughly perhaps.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726164724131916224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-65884958560023578722022-09-28T08:44:57.743+01:002022-09-28T08:44:57.743+01:00I've done a lot of reading about the Cavendish...I've done a lot of reading about the Cavendish family over the years. We have a "Cavendish arms" pub in a local village called Brindle.<br />My interest in the family started as I became aware of Bess of Hardwick who was a great friend of Elizabeth the first. She was married three times and amassed a huge personal fortune. Her last marriage was to William Cavendish and their son became the first Duke of Devonshire.<br />There is a fabulous book about the Cavendish family by Roy Hattersley. Well worth reading.<br /><br />Thanks for this, Mr pudding. Sometimes it's good to be remembered about the stuff I've forgotton!Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16093533351238991113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-68529785811415164302022-09-28T07:44:41.374+01:002022-09-28T07:44:41.374+01:00Thank you for an interesting read to go with my mu...Thank you for an interesting read to go with my muesli this morning.<br />I didn't know about Frederick Cavendish, but maybe he was a decent man who really would have served his country well, had he been allowed to live longer. In the photo, he looks like a rather lugubrious character. But maybe he simply had not slept well the day the photo was taken (eyebags!).<br />My sister-in-law and her family are Chatsworth House fans and visit as often as they can; maybe one day I get a chance to go with them. I didn't know about the special blue, but I like it.Librarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05704656564078750607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-31297290171234832002022-09-28T05:34:43.703+01:002022-09-28T05:34:43.703+01:00That's a very nice shade of blue.That's a very nice shade of blue. Riverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14794655013673748992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-4003513486967011112022-09-28T02:18:18.044+01:002022-09-28T02:18:18.044+01:00Funny how some article can send us of on a long ex...Funny how some article can send us of on a long exploration. The Cavendish name is used somewhere in Canada. Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17996243850279671523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-2146218295247629292022-09-28T00:05:05.071+01:002022-09-28T00:05:05.071+01:00Thanks for the tip. Seems like an interesting biog...Thanks for the tip. Seems like an interesting biography. 'Although it ought not to be on the curriculum', eh? ;-)Sean Jeatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978285783271305489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-6424293198274774212022-09-27T22:24:24.903+01:002022-09-27T22:24:24.903+01:00So Joyce was but three months and four days young ...So Joyce was but three months and four days young when it happened. Well, but Leopold Bloom 16, after all. And bad luck for Cavendish to accompany Burke. Parnell, Gladstone ... oh well, those were interesting times, as a Chinese would probably say.<br />It's a nice blue, by the way, the Chatsworth blue. <br />And this was another interesting post, Neil. Thank you.Sean Jeatinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978285783271305489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-78642333078381953502022-09-27T21:46:14.068+01:002022-09-27T21:46:14.068+01:00Funny how blood can make so much of a difference i...Funny how blood can make so much of a difference in a life. Born in one family and you're born a rich man, born in another and you're destined to be a pauper. At least, that's how it used to be. I wonder how much that's changed? Ms. Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09776404747858099919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-43638471395781560732022-09-27T20:29:10.963+01:002022-09-27T20:29:10.963+01:00Frederick Cavendish's murder in Phoenix Park t...Frederick Cavendish's murder in Phoenix Park tolls memory bells for me. <br />I have a couple of biographies of Charles Stewart Parnell, James Joyce's childhood hero. <br />And I have at least one life of Gladstone, who would have settled the Irish question, and spared Ireland its travails, and Britain its long running sore.<br />As a schoolboy I was angry that our SCE History Higher did not cover the Famine in any detail, now viewed as the worst social catastrophe in 19th C. Europe.<br />My history master said, *It's not on the curriculum, Haggerty.*<br /><br />John Campbell's biography of Haldane, Britain's forgotten statesman is now in paperback (2022) and has me enthralled.<br />I hope Keir Starmer reads it.<br />0ur toxic government borrowed money to give the super-rich tax breaks while our poor freeze in their homes and live on pot noodles.<br />It will go down in the annals of Tory infamy.Hameldaemepal@gmailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08231016503726428849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13883584.post-13632654942728332342022-09-27T19:40:10.449+01:002022-09-27T19:40:10.449+01:00I went down a rabbit hole about the Cavendishs and...I went down a rabbit hole about the Cavendishs and ended up at the dissolution of the monasteries. Who knew?Pixiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01313413260127376288noreply@blogger.com