In 2006, the same year that Stephen King published "Lisey's Story", Richard Dawkins published "The God Delusion". I had never read it until this summer and now I have finished it. The act of reading those 450 pages was very different from the process of reading the King novel. Much more concentration required.
Of course I was drawn to the book because I have been an atheist as long as I can remember and instinctively I have always been 99.999% sure that the idea of a "God" is delusional. I realise that a few people who visit this blog are Christian believers and who knows - there may be a few Muslims, Hindus and Jews too as far as I know. But like Richard Dawkins, I firmly believe that they have all got it wrong They have been misled. It is indeed all a great big delusion.
We atheists are painfully aware that we live in societies where we are supposed to "respect" other people's views and their religious habits. If the truth be known, most atheists in general give that "respect" reluctantly while internally growling and dismissing the whole religious shebang as dangerous poppycock.
We look on as innocent children are indoctrinated with their parents' religious beliefs. Shouldn't they be allowed to form their own judgements when they are older and make properly informed decisions? How often are they presented with the illuminating possibility of atheism?
I found the early chapters of "The God Delusion" quite hard to read as they are framed in the style and language of academia. There are many quotations and references to wrestle with as Dawkins hacks his way through the troublesome undergrowth of religious belief. It can seem as though he is addressing an auditorium filled with quizzical postgraduates.
However, beyond the middle of the book I was finding the content much easier to master as the author explored such matters as the roots of morality, Hitler and Stalin, Darwinism, the physical and mental abuse of children and the awful symbolism of the burka in Islam.
Richard Dawkins has thought the whole thing through rather like a scientist pursuing a big research assignment. Several times he paused to reflect on religiosity in America, the frightening ignorance of creationism and the unhealthy bond between religion and government over there. It's not easy to be an atheist in America and in that land of legends and fast food, folk frequently realise it's best to keep their godlessness to themselves while religious zealots espouse their nonsense and blow their proverbial horns.
Here, for your interest, are four random extracts from "The God Delusion":-
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
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“A child is not a Christian child, not a Muslim child, but a child of Christian parents or a child of Muslim parents. This latter nomenclature, by the way, would be an excellent piece of consciousness-raising for the children themselves. A child who is told she is a 'child of Muslim parents' will immediately realize that religion is something for her to choose -or reject- when she becomes old enough to do so.”
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“To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries”
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“Do you really mean to tell me the only reason you try to be good is to gain God's approval and reward, or to avoid his disapproval and punishment? That's not morality, that's just sucking up, apple-polishing, looking over your shoulder at the great surveillance camera in the sky, or the still small wiretap inside your head, monitoring your every move, even your every base thought.”
The quotations above, I think, provide an authentic foretaste of the book.
The quote that starts with "to be fair" says it all. Nothing else needs to be said. Go home. People harangue each other on both sides of the issue.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what you mean by "Go home" Red.
DeleteAleksandr Solzhenitsyn found faith in Stalin's Gulag Archipelago.
ReplyDeleteAt the height of Stalin's Purges, when millions were being murdered,
Solzhenitsyn said, * This has happened because we stopped believing in God. *
Stalin died on 5 March 1953 age 74, saturated in evil. Unrepentant.
He's had to answer to a far more terrible tribunal than any here on Earth.
Mr Dawkins doesn't grasp the meaning of Paul's Letter to the Romans.
He will soon.
* We may not ourselves find the right healing symbols ... but just
Deleteas a first step, we can at least believe that man lives under God in a
great mystery. *
JB Priestley. The closing pages of Literature and Western Man (1960).
Priestley (1894-1984) was born in Bradford, Yorkshire.
A veteran of the First World War, he was buried alive after a shell
exploded in front of him but he emerged unscathed.
Priestley was influenced by Carl Jung ; in his novels, plays, and
non-fiction he explored the nature of time, the possibility of survival
of consciousness after death, and the nature of precognitive dreams.
Interesting but hardly a bomb to blow up Richard Dawkins's treatise.
DeleteThe God Delusion is a shoddy, slovenly book.
DeleteFlying Spaghetti Monster ! Kid's stuff. No depth.
Sartre didn't speak lightly of God's non-existence, it is
a grievous matter that we are alone in an indifferent universe.
Solzhenitsyn & Priestley were close to death.
It wonderfully concentrates the mind as Dr Johnson (a believer) said.
* Seven Types of Atheism * John Gray.
* The Everlasting Man * GK Chesterton.
* Why I Am Not A Christian* Bertrand Russell.
* Waiting on God * Simone Weil.
Before flying to Sweden for the the Nobel in 1957, Camus sat in
Simone Weil's empty apartment in Paris ; she died unknown in 1943.
Camus had been suicidal before he read Weil.
That can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
DeleteSometimes I think all it is as far as religion is concerned is our need for stories and stories that make sense of the world. Ronald Hutton writes about New Ageism and his book 'Blood and Mistletoe' all about Druidism explains in a way how mythical stories are made up. I am not an aggressive atheist and would be agnostic, but that is just being picky;)
ReplyDeletePeople have an urge to explain, to be rooted, to be reassured and religion frequently seems to satisfy that need.
DeleteThe first "random extract" describes Trump perfectly. Perhaps he believes he is God?
ReplyDeleteI see what you mean Elsie.
DeleteAs a fellow atheist, I agree with you.
ReplyDeleteTooth fairy, Santa Claus, leprechauns and God(s) all belong in the same basket, in my opinion. Fictitious beings that are man made.
When people say rationalize their belief in a god by reference to the Bible, I often wonder if I should rationalize witchcraft by reference to Harry Potter.
Look at the mess that religions have caused.
I can remember the miracle baby in the Mexico earthquake of many years ago. It was found alive in the rubble after several days..a miracle! What about the thousands that died?
Watched a clip of a BBC reporter interviewing an Orthodox Jew in Israel. His view was the Jews are the chosen people and, therefore, a Jewish life is worth millions of Gentile lives…the arrogance.
I guess I should quickly mention the role of the Catholic and CofE churches in the abuse and subsequent cover up. Read some of Welby’s interviews before he resigned.
But it’s not all bad - England has a lot of beautiful buildings that are open and free to visit because of belief in god.
I read the book shortly when it came out. Try Hitchens “God is not great” next.
In these matters we are of one mind Traveller.
DeleteMr Dawkins doesn't hold back in his censure does he.
ReplyDeleteActually, he is quite measured and academic about most of it. Perhaps the quotes I picked don't show that.
DeleteI was going to say that you will ruffle some feathers with this post, but I see you already have!
ReplyDeleteSo often those feathers have escaped the unruffling they deserve.
DeleteI agree with River. That first extract does sound a lot like felon 45/47.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's how he chose his presidential persona.
DeleteA delusion is a strongly held belief with no basis in fact. In science we have allowed correlation to be construed as causation all to often,
ReplyDeleteThat's a bit deep for me. Perhaps you could expand?
DeleteVery good point Travel. I get quite annoyed when people confuse correlation and causation.
DeleteChildren should be aware of all belief systems, not indoctrinated in any, including atheism.
ReplyDeleteDawkins makes that same point quite strongly.
DeleteI tend to believe that what anyone else believes is good for them, perhaps what they need, but do not ever try to get me to believe the same.
ReplyDeleteI have mine and I would never deny others theirs.
What about The Nazis of Nazi Germany?
DeleteI was speaking of people and their religious or spiritual beliefs.
DeleteI thought I did a long reply on this. Perhaps I forgot to post it.
ReplyDeleteNo. It's there above pal.
DeleteI'm with you. And the older I get, the less tolerance I have for religion in any of its many flavors. I have a distant in-law relative who seems to have become completely swept up in her "Christianity," not realizing how ridiculous and even hurtful she is being. When James Dobson, founder of the horrible Focus on the Family, which purports to uphold Biblical values, died, she posted on social media that when he reached Heaven, his god was going to say, "Well done, good and faithful son." She either didn't know or didn't care that Dobson would say that a good part of my family were going to hell because they are sinners in the eyes of the lord, due to their sexuality and gender identities. And I'm expected to just sit here and take that crap because, well, respect. Right?
ReplyDeleteYesterday she posted that Christians need to get out and vote their Christian beliefs. And you know what that means.
I fume, and am silent.
The alliance between the American right and conservative Christianity is as unholy as it is worrisome.
DeleteI was raised Catholic and raised my children Catholic but now it makes no sense to me and my kids are not Catholics anymore either.
ReplyDeleteNot easy to cut loose entirely is it Ellen?
DeleteI absolutely let my children make up their own minds. The eldest has no religion to speak of whilst the youngest is a Wiccan.
ReplyDeleteI am with Harley.
Delete"To be fair", I think there is a good deal of delusion on both sides! (i.e. both among Christians and atheists...) In my humble (?) opinion, things are not as simple as Dawkins having the right to claim himself in possession of the whole truth and nothing but the truth, any more than any single person calling themselves a Christian can claim to have the one and only correct interpretation of every detail in the Bible.
ReplyDeleteThere's a big difference between religious folk and atheists. Atheists do not really believe in anything. We have freed ourselves of that baggage.
DeleteOr so you believe... ;) (Sorry, couldn't resist!)
DeleteIt is not a belief. It is reality.
DeleteSpeaking of respect and disrespect, I find it not a little odd that you, a former teacher of English, would write "Muslims" and "Hindus" with capital letters at the beginning but write "jews" in all lower case letters. This is passive-aggressive anti-Semitism and not at all becoming to a person of your former profession. Richard Dawkins writes "Christian" and some of your commenters write "Druidism" and "New Ageism". It is my opinion that no matter what you think of its adherents, Judaism deserves equal standing with other world religions, being one of the oldest. (Leave it to me to hone in on the minutiae, but it is a point worth making.)
ReplyDeleteGood point Bob. I did briefly consider those capitalisations during the writing and now, following your remarks, I will make the necessary change.
DeleteThe world would be such a different place if people understood that (1) mythology should never be understood as literal truth, and (2) all religious and spiritual thought is mythology, including the Christian mythology.
ReplyDeleteThank you for making the change. You’re a good man, Charlie Brown.
ReplyDeleteI certainly try to be even though there is no God judging me.
DeleteYou say you give the expected respect reluctantly but it's not respect, it's lip service. You speak more respectfully of every other religious group than you do of Christians.
ReplyDeleteI would never speak of atheists the way you speak of Christians.
I was christened without my agreement when I was just a baby. I was a choirboy in my village church. My father was a church warden. I make mo apology for anything I have ever said about Christianity and you are entirely right about the "respect" that atheists show towards Christianity - it certainly does amount to polite "lip service". In truth my views about Islam are far more stringent. My many visits to old village churches show that I continue to have genuine affection for the history.
DeleteI agree with you YP. Why should I respect the belief in complete rubbish? My amusement with religion is not limited to Christianity - I am an equal opportunist in that regard.
DeleteAs for being christened without your consent….count yourself lucky you parents weren’t Jewish!