My maternal grandfather was a coal miner and so was his father before him. Most of the men on my mother's side of the family worked in the coal industry. It was what South Yorkshire was all about for a hundred years - getting that black gold out of the earth - to service other industries and to warm people's homes.
Their lingua franca would have included terms like "pit prop", "shaft", "deputy", "overman", "tubs", "brakesman" and "banksman" and they would have shared an intimate knowledge of underground work. They belonged to a kind of brotherhood in which they relied upon each other in ways that surface and white collar workers will never know. At home, bodies blackened by coal dust, they washed themselves in tin baths by the fire.
I am a man but at work I was never a man like those men. I didn't get dirty, nor did I strain my muscles or fear methane or chilling underground noises. I dressed in a suit with a collar and tie and used my intelligence, my mental energy and my command of the English language to sail through my weeks. I used terms like "assessment", "potential", "target", "poetry", "written expression", "comprehension", "accuracy" and "pen". I showered in the morning, shampooed my hair and shaved my face.
In December 1977, our two very different worlds collided when I was invited to a job interview at Dinnington Comprehensive School, close to Dinnington Colliery. I blogged about that day thirteen years ago and here's the key scene which made that memory stick forever...
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The interview went swimmingly. I dodged and dived and batted responses back to them that left all but one of them smiling - they surely had their chosen candidate in front of them. Then the headmaster, Mr Ingham, turned to the chair of governors. "Ahem! Have you got any questions Mr Burkinshaw?"
A hush filled the room. I was expecting something highbrow pertaining to the advertised post. Then Mr Burkinshaw cleared his throat.
"Aye 'edmaster, ah've just got wun question to ask 'im... "
All eyes of the interview panel turned to him with expectation or was it embarrassment.
"Are ye courting?"
This irrelevant question hung in the air.
I rapidly processed it, quickly judging that the chairman was trying to clarify my sexuality. Good god, in a pit village like Dinnington they wouldn't have wanted any puftas on the staff! I was tempted to say to Mr Burkinshaw - "No, I'm not courting but you seem like a nice boy!" Instead I spluttered something about my Scottish girlfriend and how we were in a serious relationship though I refused to embellish my response with the details of my red-blooded heterosexuality...
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You see, Mr Burkinshaw was a coal miner and coal mining was what he probably saw as real work - man's work. He would have known the same working vocabulary as The Whites - my grandfather and great - grandfather. Perhaps, instinctively, he struggled to appreciate that being an English teacher could also be proper man's work. But if I had been gay or asexual - what would it have mattered? It was my competence, my ability to do the job that should have been his sole concern.
You cover many years . Things have changed since that time. No more coal mining. You are limited to what questions you can ask. Some things are better and some issues have a long way to go yet.
ReplyDeleteYou speak truly Chief Red.
DeleteThat's quite the question to be asked during a job interview. I'm glad things have advanced, somewhat, for LGBTQ people.
ReplyDeleteThe questions probably remain but they are unspoken.
DeleteIn that era, when women were asked about their marital status, it wasn't to determine their sexual orientation but to figure out if they were likely to get pregnant and quit, or even worse, agitate for maternity benefits. The bad old days for everyone back then.
ReplyDeleteOf course, women are still discriminated against for the selfsame reason but nowadays the prejudice is camouflaged.
DeleteSad to say, in other times, you could be the best man for the job but if you were a man who liked men you were deemed unacceptable.
ReplyDeleteThat -ism has not gone away. It is just more cunningly disguised.
DeleteHe wanted to know whether you'd fit in, probably not doubting for a second your academic qualifications for the job.
ReplyDeleteIt reminds me of when I was moving out from my parents and looking for my first rented place, where I planned to have my then boyfriend move in with me. I was 20 years old, looking even younger, and one elderly couple who had been advertising their very affordable and conveniently located attic flat had me come in to look at the place, and for them to look at me. We seemed to get along well, until the wife, not looking me in the face properly, asked "Does she have a boyfriend?" - Really!! She did not even address me directly. I was quite taken aback and simply answered "yes", and that sealed the deal - NOT.
Years afterwards, when I was already married to my first husband (he was from Sicily), we wanted out from the shabby rented flat we were in at the time, and once again I was telephoning landlords and -ladies who had advertised in the local paper. When I said my surname, some of them asked bluntly where I was from. I always truthfully replied that I was from this town, and of course I sounded as Swabian as I am, but of course they picked up on my not-German sounding surname. When they learned that my husband was Italian, that ended our conversation quickly.
The landlady we found eventually was the Germany-born daughter of Greek immigrants. We lived in her flat for many years, until we split up and I eventually bought the place where I live now.
Enlightening tales of prejudice.
DeleteBy the way, Mr Burkinshaw was not trying to find out if I would fit in. He was certainly casting aspersions upon my sexuality. Later, the headteacher apologised to me for the man's ignorance and said I had handled the situation well.
I have an acquaintance who grew up in the New South Wales mining town, Broken Hill. He worked in the mines for a few years as an openly gay teenager, and used to have great fun in the work showers with some miners. He would be about eighty now, so that would have been the early 1960s. Sadly he has dementia now.
ReplyDelete"great fun in the work showers"? The mind boggles.
DeleteHe might have been referring to the stability of married men in jobs, single men are sometimes apt to just take off or switch jobs often, whereas someone in a committed relationship or married would be more likely so stay in the job. So did you get the job?
ReplyDeleteCoal mining is hard and dirty work and those who do it are to be admired.
You are trying to make an allowance for Mr Burkinshaw that he certainly did not merit.
DeleteI agree with Debra, women always used to get asked that question about marriage and babies. I suspect that still happens. Thankfully we have moved on a lot from those days.
ReplyDeleteWe may have moved on but the questions are still there between the lines.
DeleteRiver's comments bring back memories. When my soon-to-be husband went for an interview with a company, one of the first personal questions he was asked (after they had gone through his education and qualifications in great detail) was if he was married. When he told them he was getting married in three months time, the answer went favourably and he got the job. He later found out that practically all the younger men in the company were either married (or about to be) and most had families. This apparently was company policy to make sure that there wasn't a constant turn over of male staff.
ReplyDeleteI bet I'm not the only one who would have liked to have seen Mr. Burkinshaw's face if you'd told him he seemed like a nice boy!
What if you happened to be single at the time? would you have needed to lie to prove your heterosexuality. Or what if you were gay? would you have said so. The question was meaningless as well as discriminatory
ReplyDeleteI was once asked a similar question. I answered I wasn't and didn't get the job.
ReplyDeleteInterview or not, I might have burst out laughing at the "Are ye courting?" I'd have been "tickled" as they say in my part of the world. :)
ReplyDeleteInteresting about the mining: I've found some information about my great-grandfather who immigrated from Poland in 1905, age 17. It seems one of his early jobs was he got here was in mining.
Your post brought back a memory of mine. I had been teaching for about seven years, and had just gotten my master's degree in school administration. I had two little boys at home. I went for an interview for an assistant principal job in front of a panel. The superintendent asked me, "Are you married?" When he asked that, my mind sputtered as I just took a course on school law, and that was a question that shouldn't be asked. Needless to say, I didn't get the job. I was disappointed at the time, but looking back, I am glad I didn't get it. I eventually did become a school administrator, but it lasted but one year as I hated it. I "demoted" myself and went back to teaching, a decision I have never regretted.
ReplyDeleteWell, he didn't ask if you were courting a woman.
ReplyDeleteI can't confirm this but the question is probably still being asked, in one way or another, in some states here in the USA.
ReplyDeleteI had a great grandfather who started out in the coal mines of England, and went onto tunnel digging - ended up in Detroit. Shortly after she was widowed, my maternal grandmother lived with us for a few months, she was doing laundry and kept asking me where my "work clothes" were. She couldn't believe I was really working if didn't get dirty.
ReplyDeleteIntrusive and unnecessary question.
ReplyDeleteIt often takes more than just words to convey implicit meanings, doesn't it. I would not have guessed at your conclusion if you hadn't explained - but you were there, so I suppose you got it right. I was reminded of a job interview back in my own youth, for a secretarial job, in which I was asked unusual questions about personal interests, like what I liked to do in my own time, off work. I didn't get that job, and always felt afterwards that this was more to do with my answers to those questions than with my qualifications for the job as such. (I got the impression they were probably a quite a tight-knit gang that liked to hang out in their free time as well as at work, so probably just as well for me too that I did not end up having to work there - but it still did not feel "fair".)
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